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20 February 2006

Man Gets Three Years in Holocaust Denial: Insult Muslims=Acceptable: Insult Jews=Unacceptable.

This headline is astonishing. Laws against holocaust denial are REAL and punishable in certain EU states!!!- or is it in all of them? At any rate, this is in stark comparison to the laws in Turkey, where the REVERSE is an offense against the state. Whatever- apparently it’s considered lawful ‘freedom of speech’ when 1.5 billion Muslims are offended, but you’re in big trouble when you insult a few million Jews. I expect to see another round of protests by Muslims, against the imprisonment ‘historian’ David Irving. I am strictly pro-Israel, but I have little tolerance for such hypocrisy. -AT

Feb 20, 12:44 PM (ET)

By VERONIKA OLEKSYN VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Right-wing British historian David Irving pleaded guilty Monday to charges of denying the Holocaust and was sentenced to three years in prison after conceding he was wrong to say there were no Nazi gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Irving, handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, arrived in court carrying a copy of one of his most controversial books - "Hitler's War," which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.

"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Irving told the court before his sentencing.

He had faced up to 10 years in prison.


Yitzchak Goodman said...

You can insult the Jews all you want. The laws against Holocaust Denial are misguided, but they are meant to stop Fascist rabble-rousing, not to confer some sort of special status on the Jews. And hate-speech against Muslims is criminalized in some places, which is also misguided. As a result of this whole business we may very well see laws agaisnt blasphemy.

metin said...

Insulting the Jews and denying Holocaust not necessarily the same thing. By the way, laws dont seem to stop people. I still think we're wasting our time trying to make amends with everyone. After all, there are some irreconcilable differences amongst peoples, cultures, races, and religions. This should be as common as the differences between men vs. women.

Maybe we need a 'Judeo-Christians are from Jupiter, and Muslims are from another planet' book. Of course, everyone else needs to go back to where they came from.

Murat Altinbasak said...

Yitzchak, we seem to be taking steps backwards towards the time of the Inquisition. We live in frightening times.

Metin, people's sensitivity to religious or ethnic aspersions seem to increase in accordance with two factors: insecurity and poverty. The liberal, well-to-do Muslims of the world seem to have little concern for the recent Danish cartoons. Maybe I'm just describing myself, although I'm hardly well-to do. What we need is to cut out the tongues of the mullahs and imams who foam at the mouth at every Friday's prayers. It's too bad that women don't play a stronger role in Islam. The Muslim world might be a much more palatable place if women wer charged with educating the masses. Of course, this is pretty mucha pipe dream, except for maybe Ijtihadists.

metin said...

I clearly think that we all need to recognize there are irreconcilable differences. You can't expect to take two ingredients of differing origins and expect to make soup out of them unless you call it what it now is - soup.

There is Islam and then there are all others. When you try to "modernize Islam' you might as well come up with another religion.

The bottom line is Islam nowadays is clearly identified by its followers rather than what Islam, the religion, really is.

Murat Altinbasak said...

Do you consider "IJTIHAD" to be a different religion? It does seem to be a modernized denomination of Muslims. I've just begun to research them.

metin said...

My point was that Islam and Muslims may need to be viewed and judged separately. Muslims would have to choose between reformists and fundamentalists or those in between or a combination of. But Islam, the religion, should remain the same.

Anonymous said...

You make a valid point. Although I understand how and why Austria's Holocaust denial laws are on the books, it's still a mistake. Of course, the protesting Muslims would argue that their sensitives should therefore be protected, while I argue that Irving et al should be able to make spurious claims re: the Holocaust. I won;t touch the subject of whether or not "Jewish power" plays a role.