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22 March 2007

Kurds celebrate "Newroz" in Diyarbakir Turkey

Photo
A Kurdish girl poses during a gathering to celebrate Newroz in the southeastern Turkish city of Diyarbakir March 21, 2007. Newroz, which means 'new day' in Kurdish, marks the arrival of spring and is also celebrated in Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Iran, and Tajikistan.  
REUTERS/Umit Bektas
 
There's no "w" in Turkish.. and while tolerance for Kurdish culture, language, media and education is slowly reaching levels acceptable to the "free world", the Turkish government still does not tolerate official use of the letter "w".. unless of course it's a fashionable word such as "BMW". -AT

52 comments:

aytaç said...

Why Kurdish flag and victory sign!?!?!! We are Turks, all who live in Turkey. These PKK are traters and need to die. They want to divide us and make a so-called nation. Kurdish nation never existed in history and we are all brothers.

aytaç said...

Can we use Türkçe in your site? My english is bad.

Sean said...

aytaç,

your haterate and ignorance shows, even in your broken English. "These PKK are traitors and need to die"? Is the little girl a card carrying member of the PKK? How do you know that? just because she is Kurdish? "need to die"? that's how Turks solve all their problems. and you blame me because I "cannot understand logic" and because Armenians "born liars and teach generations all lies".

What do you call the comments you left about this innocent little girl?

How dare you hide behind Islam while spreading hate and destruction? It's people like you that damage the Islam faith around the world.

cem said...

Sean said:

How dare you hide behind Islam while spreading hate and destruction? It's people like you that damage the Islam faith around the world.

You ignorant little man where did you get that bull from. What do you know about the PKK, or the life Aytac lives in Turkey, or whether he is even a Moslem. Do you know how many innocent children died because of the PKK?
Most likely you do, but hey they are not Armenian children, so who cares.
I wish Murat and the infidel would open their eyes and see you for what you are, a lonely little man who hates Turks.

Murat and The Infidel, stop pretending like pseudo intellectuals- hollywood liberals and have some backbone.
Open your eyes and shut Sean's mouth! Stop giving the fool a platform.

naes said...

aytac said:

Why Kurdish flag and victory sign!?!?!!

Kurdish flag because they are Kurdish first and Turkish second. Meaning they will take up arms against Turkey if the PKK and Kurdish nationalist had their way.
Victory sign, I think not, a peace sign yes.

The Kurds control all the drug trade and prostitution in Istanbul.
FACT.

sean said:

What do you call the comments you left about this innocent little girl?

What comment was made directed specifically at that little girl. What false reaction are you trying to provoke?

aytaç said...

I have to say naes is correct. Kurds involved in very bad acts are like Armanians were during Ottoman times. It is sad and makes us angry. We must watch them. Yesterday two of our fine young askers were hurt by a mine of the PKK!

cem, yes I am Muslim. I wonder why they hates us so much those so-called Europeans and those Armanians, Greeks ,Kurds, Suriani, I think because they hate Islam and want our land to be theres

Ardent said...

When I looked at this photo, I appreciated it for what it was. Beautifully taken with the green and yellow colours representing the arrival of Spring.

And the little girl looks like a flower with an absolutely innocent face.

How can one bring politics and hatred into such a lovely photo?

Perhaps it should read shame that Adults cannot find resolution to a problem that inflicts misery onto all children - Turkish and Kurdish.

aytaç said...

ardent, those colors make so-called flag of fantasy Kurdish nation Kurds are part of Türkiye no matter what or should leave. THey teach the children to be anti-turk murderers. They want our land and kill our brave askers. WE NEVER MADE MURDER ON THE KURDS PKK ARE FALSE LIARS, THEY PLAY GAMES LIKE ARMANIANS AND GREEKS!!! FIRST SPEAKING RIGHT FOR THERE DIALECT, WHAT TO GIVE NEXT, OUR LAND!?!?!?!?

aytaç said...

Nevruz is Turkish celebration anyway

Sean said...

cem, you must be Turkish. can't handle a few comments that you don't agree with.

Go ahead, delete my posts. See if that will make a difference.

So long as everyone with a different view is kept quiet, your lies are the only ones heard. But that doesn't mean what you are saying is the Truth!

I don't hate ALL Turks. I hate Turks like you, who can't handle differing opinions. I hate Turks like you, who have never read ONE history book, but keep insisting that Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians, are wrong or that they spread lies.

How would you know? The only so-called truth that you know is the one that you state-owned government pumps into your TVs every day. Pick up a book on these topics, one from each side, and make a decision for yourself. By the way, make sure no one sees you reading them, because you will be thrown in jail.

aytaç said...

sean I saw comments form you about Islam and you need to know that Islam does not kill the innocent. Easy to blame Muslims for all world evil but there are too many lies about us. 911 in NYC is USA/Israel to hurt Muslims it is conspiracy. Turks are hated because they ar Muslim so kept out of European so-called "Christian Union". My State does not need to tell me to think in one way. Armanians have paid all those so-called intellectuals to agree with them. Genocide lie is there to hurt our feelings and break my nation apart like Sevres. STOP THE LIES!!!!!! It does to make us very angry and we may one day make a reaction and you'll be sorry.

Sean said...

aytaç said... "sean I saw comments form you about Islam and you need to know that Islam does not kill the innocent"

you obviously can't read, because my comments did NOT say anything about Islam killing the innocent.

go back and read them again!

as far as you getting angry, I couldn't care less...

cem said...

sean said:

I don't hate ALL Turks. I hate Turks like you, who can't handle differing opinions. I hate Turks like you, who have never read ONE history book, but keep insisting that Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians, are wrong or that they spread lies.

Sean, you are such an ignorant fascist. Any Turk who does not agree with your idiosyncrasies you hate. You generalize and make to many assumptions, something a learned person would not do. Example:

I hate Turks like you, who have never read ONE history book, but keep insisting that Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians, are wrong or that they spread lies.

I have read many contradictory books on the Armenian topic. So your assumption made you a fool. I thimk it may be best if you just shut up.

Example 2 seans reply to Aytac:

How dare you hide behind Islam while spreading hate and destruction? It's people like you that damage the Islam faith around the world.

Where did you get that from? Where does Aytac mention Islam? Where?
All these history books you claim to have read, did you digest them correctly or did you read them just as you read Aytac's paragraph, and misrepresented his words, so much that you spit out:
How dare you hide behind Islam while spreading hate and destruction? It's people like you that damage the Islam faith around the world.

Murat, the more you give fools like Sean a platform to spread their propaganda the more you give them credence. I hope you would consider what I am saying.
Sean and his ilk are not about having a dialogue with you or anyone else, they are about trying to convert you to their way of thinking. He openly stated that he will hate you, your mother,your father and maybe even your children should they take an opposing stance to his beliefs.
Read between the lines, and you will see Sean for the hater he is.
need to die"?
that's how Turks solve all their problems.

Murat Is that how your mother solves her problems?

Gulay said...

Sean is biased, has a particular agenda and I think recognises that but Aytac and Cem take a pill, lie in a dark room or do me a favor by putting the gun to your head instead of your foot because you represent no version of Turkey that I recognise except for the Nationalist Hitlers who keep prosecuting anyone who dares to contradict views like yours. This does not mean I agree with Sean either, in fact I disagree with a lot of what he stands. The problem you guys have is that you simply cannot debate a topic, rather you just shout at each other, I mean why bother. Cem, your comments about why Murat allows Sean on here is becasue I believe Murat, whilst not necessarily agreeing with Sean believes in dialogue and communication, obviously a concept you do not buy into. Insulting Murat is a waste of time as he will get his own back at some stage, trust me I know he supports the Kadikoy Mafia but he puts up with my less than subtle comments with greatpatience.

cem said...

Gulay,

Your attack on me is un called for, and you are so wrong with calling me a nationalist hitler.
Put a gun to my head? Why would you say something like that.

Cem, your comments about why Murat allows Sean on here is becasue I believe Murat, whilst not necessarily agreeing with Sean believes in dialogue and communication, obviously a concept you do not buy into.

Is that what is happening here a dialogue. Gulay, decribe to me the Turkey you pretend to know so well.

I cannot stand Turks of your ilk for one second, Gulay, so eager to please your American friends by attacking a fellow Turk. Shame on you. I don't see many armenians do that. I do not agree with the statement that Aytac made but I do know where he is coming from. I lived in Turkey for twenty years, did my military service, knew many Kurds- both friend and foe, I think I know Turkey and Turks much better than you do.

Peace to you Gulay.

Gulay said...

Cem, I am not an AmeriKan Turk, I was born and lived for 35 years in Turkey so I think I know Turkey. You condemn yourself with your own words Cem, you ask Murat to shut Sean's mouth and ask him to stop giving Sean a platform....why? because it seems you don't like what he says, but this is an Amerikan blog where free speech is allowed and opposite opinions tolerated. I see no real difference between you and Kemal Kerincsiz.

I would suggest you check this link out just for interest.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6386625.stm

Sean said...

Gulay,

Thank you. It's because of people like you, Murat and Infidel that I believe there is still hope in this world. Even if you don't agree with me, it's clear that you can carry on an adult conversation.

Thank you. You have made my day!

cem, I don't hate Gulay, and he is a Turk. So you are obviously wrong.

*****************

FOR THE RECORD, when I was talking about aytac and Islam, I was referring to his comment under another post on this blog. In that post, he said:

"Ignore Sean, he cannot understand logic. All full of lies and making ermeni propaganda and anti-islam. I do not have the hatred for christians as they hate us because islam is superior anyway. There can be no peace with Armanians because they are born liars and teach generations all lies.
Armanians kill the Turks all over Anatolia and make a cover up and now the world wil see this. Turkiye is a land of peace. "

I didn't bring Islam into this conversation. He did. I didn't insult Islam.

*******************

Murat Altinbasak said...

To all recent commenters. I appreciate all of the attentiveness to eachother's faults.. Regrettably I will not have time to get myself "wrapped around the axle" for a day or two.. But I've read every single comment fired over the bow.. and I will do my best to share my positions later this weekend. Some of you already know what I might say.. Many thanks.
Welcome to all the new commenters, by the way. Glad to have you, no matter what you say.

Oz Kanka said...

I noticed that the photograph was taken by Umit Bektas. I'm outraged! He was supposed to be in Ankara playing darts in my team. We won anyway but that isn't the point. The sooner Turkey goes back to making Newroz or Nevruz or whatever illegal the better.

cem said...

sean said:

cem, I don't hate Gulay, and he is a Turk. So you are obviously wrong.


Gulay said:

What upsets me (and this the Husband speaking who is not Turkish by the way)

Sean,
I have only two words for you READING COMPREHENSION.

Gulay,
Please think before you speak. I am not about silencing sean or anyone else. However I do feel that he hates Turks, and that he is intellectually inept. Don't be so quick to pass judgement on people.

Some comments made by sean:

cem, you must be Turkish. can't handle a few comments that you don't agree with.

How would you know? The only so-called truth that you know is the one that you state-owned government pumps into your TVs every day.

I hate Turks like you, who have never read ONE history book, but keep insisting that Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians, are wrong or that they spread lies.

Gulay, why not ask sean what he does like about Turkey and it's people. Some positives.

It's been real folks, but I think it's time for me to move on.

Murat, I wish I could have gotten to know you better. Good luck to you.

aytaç said...

cem,

Don't go from this forum. to go would give victory to these pro-Armanian, pro Kurd so-called Turks. (yes, I know this may be harsh). so you must to stay

metin said...

Why dont we give Kurdistan to the Kurds? Such an absurd idea? or one whose time has come?

Sean said...

cem,

When I said that Gulay is obviously a Turk, I was referring to his wife, who said on this very page "I am not an AmeriKan Turk, I was born and lived for 35 years in Turkey so I think I know Turkey."

Picking and choosing parts of my comments and taking them out of context is how Denialists attack anything we say. So it doesn't surprise me that you are doing the same here.

You said "Gulay, why not ask sean what he does like about Turkey and it's people. Some positives."

Here it is: I would love to visit Turkey. I have always heard from many people that it's a beautiful country. Until about few years ago, (when I was younger and the Genocide topic was completely NOT discussed by Turks) I thought that ALL Turks deny the Genocide. Thus, I hated all Turks. But thanks to blogs like this one and other, and thanks to articles about the Turkish intellectuals who have written books and articles about the Genocide, I have come to realize that I was wrong. It's only very few Turks who deny that the Genocide took place. And those are the ones whose voices we heard, exclusively, until recently. Now, the ice is melting. People are starting to talk. As such, the Truth is slowly coming out. IN MY OPINION, if we did a survey of the entire Turkish population in Turkey, and if they knew for sure that they would not get in trouble for expressing their honest views, more than 40% would say that the Genocide took place. The number would probably be close to 70% for the same survey taken by Turks living OUTSIDE of Turkey.

As such, I no longer hate ALL Turks. I only hate the deniers. I hate people like cem who are too extreme to see a clear picture. By the way, I don't like extremists on both sides.

That's why I like blogs like this one, because the general population on both sides needs to learn of the other's position. Even if they don't agree with it. They can't just keep listening to the extremists and assume everything they hear is the truth.

cem, I don't have any friends who are Turkish. It's not because I hate them. It's because people like you have created an atmosphere which prevents people like me from having Turkish friends.

When I was an undergraduate student at the University, I decided to write a research paper on the Genocide. I contacted the Turkish Student Association on campus, asked to interview someone for my paper. I was told that the topic is too sensitive and no one was willing to discuss it.

Why? because of people like cem. If any of those people had talked to me, cem would have threatened them, like he is threatening me here. "beware".

cem, beware. days of people like you are coming to an end. That's why you are all panicking, trying to do something before it's all over. The Good will always prevail, no matter how long it takes.

cem said...

sean said:

Why? because of people like cem. If any of those people had talked to me, cem would have threatened them, like he is threatening me here. "beware".

You are so ridiculous sean. Where did cem threaten you. You make statements that are unfounded and contrived. I'm sorry but I can't find any threat made too you. Show me.
Are you the master of ceremony here, must we always discuss what you have in mind. I see on the infidels blog, he posts about valentines day and you leave a entire story about the Armenian topic. You ask if Murat, Gamze, and the Infidel stopped posting because maybe they were threatened to so. It's very Interesting how you think. Why ask about Gamze, from my understanding all you did was harass her.

cem, I don't have any friends who are Turkish. It's not because I hate them. It's because people like you have created an atmosphere which prevents people like me from having Turkish friends.

Perhaps you don't have any friends.
I have Armenian friends sean, does that surprise you. I dated an Armenian girl for 2 years, she's married now to an Albanian and they have a beautiful little 7 month old daughter named Vien.

If any one is speaking intelligently here it's me, not you or Gulay. Both of you judged me, and attacked me.Why? Maybe the answer is that both of you are full of hate.

It's getting old hearing your continuous jargon and whining.
Your false accusations.
Your eagerness to hate anyone who disagrees with you and how you just simply dismiss them as deniers. Deniers? Come up with some other word.

You are delusional sean. Seek help.

Gulay said...

me full of hate?????? cem read what you posted on 3/22 at 2:24pm and read my replies and you will understand why I said what I said,

susan said...

Gulay i just read cem's comment that you pointed to and i dont see where you are getting the hate part from. Could you tell me what he said that angered you so.Your reply does sound very hateful. You must admit.

Gulay said...

Sean,

This bit for start

You ignorant little man where did you get that bull from. What do you know about the PKK, or the life Aytac lives in Turkey, or whether he is even a Moslem. Do you know how many innocent children died because of the PKK?
Most likely you do, but hey they are not Armenian children, so who cares.
I wish Murat and the infidel would open their eyes and see you for what you are, a lonely little man who hates Turks.

Murat and The Infidel, stop pretending like pseudo intellectuals- hollywood liberals and have some backbone.
Open your eyes and shut Sean's mouth! Stop giving the fool a platform.


I agree with Votaire, I may disagree with you but I will defend your right to say it.....unlike Cem. Actually Cem on further inspection seems to have calmed down a bit but aytac!!!!!I was upset yesterday bcos 2 of my cats just died from food poisoning thanks to the Canucks

susan said...

Gulay, I just dont see where cems being hateful. He starts by not tolerateing seans baseless comment with the Islam thing, and condemning the PKK, which I believe is a terrorist group. Are they not.
Are you upset about the shut sean up thing. HMMMMMMMMM, I dont know how i feel about that. I remember Oprah Winfrey some ten years ago said she would no longer do shows about racist groups in America, because she did not want to give idiots a platform.

Sean says "thats how turks solve all their problems" at 3/22 1:13pm, Why does that not upset you? Is he not being hateful and I may add very ignorant.

Gulay, my hubby and I vacationed in Turkey last summer and I must say it is one of the most beautiful places on earth. The people are so welcoming and hospitable.

Sean said...

susan said... "He starts by not tolerating seans baseless comment with the Islam thing, and condemning the PKK"

Susan, WHAT BASELESS COMMENTS ABOUT ISLAM? please point the time and date of my baseless comments about Islam. You won't find them, because I never said anything BAD about Islam.

I also did NOT condemn PKK. I said "is the little girl a card carrying member of PKK?" how is this same as "condemning" PKK?

It's incredible. Having a conversation with some of you is worse than a visit to the dentist.

cem said...

sean said...I also did NOT condemn PKK. I said "is the little girl a card carrying member of PKK?" how is this same as "condemning" PKK?

Why would a hater of Turks condemn the PKK.

sean DOES NOT CONDEMN THE PKK. He is very upset at the moment because the beautiful cute little girl is not unlike himself a card carrying member of the PKK.
He wishes she would do away with the peace sign. He is very very upset. Perhaps Gulay will give you a hug.

I REPEAT sean DOES NOT CONDEMN THE PKK. SUSAN MISUNDERSTOOD HIM. IT WAS I, CEM WHO CONDEMNED THE PKK, AND I TAKE FULL RESPOSIBILITY FOR THE CONDEMNATION!

Sean said...

susan, I just realized that I misread your comment. Your PKK comment was not about me. It was late and I misunderstood it.

I apologize.

cem said...

sean said:

I also did NOT condemn PKK. I said "is the little girl a card carrying member of PKK?" how is this same as "condemning" PKK?

All those History books you claim to have read, did you misread them as well? I think you did.
sean you are so edumeecated, did you know that. Tell everyone how smart you are again.
So what did you study in beauty school, or did you drop out.
Beauty school drop out go back to high school. Are you singing.

SURRRRRRe you misread it.

Oz Kanka said...

Dear Sean,

While I welcome you observations about Turkey and how you say that you do not hate Turks, I'd like to try and correct some of your assumptions. You said in you piece that you believe that only around 40 percent of Turks (if they were given a totally free way of giving their opinion) would say that there was a genocide of Armenians. I have no definitive figures on hand, these things are obviously not possible to get, but I would say that the figure for denial would be more like 99 percent. I have lived here for many years and have yet to meet a Turk who does not believe that it was not a genocide.

This is not an attack on the Turks but we do have to look at the Turkish education system and the way history in general is taught. The events in eastern Anatolia in 1915 are hardly taught at all in schools. Those events that are taught are those that shed good light on the Turkish campaign. No surprises there really. The Australian school curriculum doesn't exactly concentrate on the genocide of the Aborigines, for example.

This has not been a case of denial, but of non-education. Most Turks had not even heard of the allegations of genocide until fairly recently (the last 30 years - or possibly yes). The Turkish education system is definitely at fault here for only looking at the glorious and not the dubious.

Okay, so Turks don't believe there was a genocide. But why get so heated now like Aytac and Cem have? Try and think about it if you were told today, without concrete evidence, and I mean absolute and utter concrete evidence that your parents were pedophiles. Would that piss you off. Of course it would. I'm not saying there is not evidence that a genocide took place but I'm not sure it would pass a court of law (my opinion anyway).

This is the position Turks find themselves in today. An issue in which they know practically nothing about, in which their honour is being attacked and one in which the evidence is not 100 percent watertight.

Try putting yourself into the position of a proud national of a country, where other countries who are your military allies are attempting to pass resolutions that you are responsible for the killing of a people. The natural reaction is to be very hostile. This is clearly the position of Cem and Aytaç, and most Turks for that matter.

I think Hrant Dink had the right idea here. This is a matter that the Turks and the Armenians have to sort out themselves.

I love Turkey and I love the Turks. I also happen to have many German friends. I don't blame them personally for what happened in World War Two and I certainly don't blame my Turkish friends for what happened in World War One.

I just hope that one day we can all sort this out.

cem said...

Very well said Oz. Poorly written but understandable. However, do not assume that I am for or against a genocide having taken place, so please do not tell me or anyone else what stance or position I have taken. Yes I've shown some hostility towards sean, but it's for the very same reason you showed hostilty towards me at the other forum.

Im refering to your comment " The natural reaction is to be very hostile. This is clearly the position of Cem and Aytaç, and most Turks for that matter"

sean, the only grievance I have with you is that what ever topic Murat may post, there you are with the Armenian issue. For crying out loud I went to read the infidels humorous view of Valentines day, and there you are with the Armenian genocide. It's a serious and important topic to discuss, YES, but you know sometimes people want to relax and tell stupid jokes, and NOT THINK. Can you understand that.

My suggestion to you is maybe you should create your own blog. And discuss for days and days what ever you please. It would be a haven for you. And people who are interested in what you are saying can come and argue with you all you want. Do you get what I'm saying here. There's a time and place for every topic of conversation--comprende.

Oz, if you have not read Zinn, you must. Once you read him, you'll find that America and Turkey are not so different when it comes down to the teachings of history.

Murat Altinbasak said...

aytac, why do you feel so threatened by this celebration? There are cultural celebrations of every nationality and ethnicity imaginable, here in the US.. True, there are some who spit on our glorious Turkish flag while leaching off of it's government, it's resources, education system and economy. We have some of that in every country I suppose. Don't feel so threatened by things which are so impossible.
Use Turkish if you like, I won't stop you.. but the audience here is 95% English speaking.

Murat Altinbasak said...

metin said...
Why dont we give Kurdistan to the Kurds? Such an absurd idea? or one whose time has come?

Metin, what has ever been "given" to the Turkish Republic without monumental loss, death and sacrifice? Anatolian land is soaked with the blood of untold Turkish defenders as well as attackers. What's this "give" stuff all about? Kind of makes a mockery of Turkey's fight to exist, doesn't it?
I think the word "Turkification" is mis-understood the world over. Either that or it needs to be re-defined. If you are a legal citizen of Turkey, you are a Turk by nationality, no exceptions.. Add whatever hyphenation of ethnicity you like, after it. And as I've said before 100 times: "Love it or leave it".

Sean said...

Oz, thanks for the comment. I really enjoyed it. I think in the last couple of days the only people posting here were cem and aytac (for the most part) and I was starting to worry about Turkey's future. I am thankful to read postings by people like you, Murat and gulay.

cem, the only reason I posted on Infidel's page about Valentine was because he was gone for a while and I didn't want to post on anything that was older. I wanted to make sure he got my comment. I usually try to stick with the main topic. Usually.

cem, you will be glad to know that I finally gave in and created my own blog. There are already couple of postings on there.

Everyone is welcome to contribute. cem and aytac, please keep it clean.

http://yourturkey.blogger.com

Infidel said...

Wow, how in the hell did my name come up in this conversation? I just stumbled upon this whole page.

Cem,
the whole shutting people up mentality is what perpetuates the problem in the first place. Nothing ever moves forward that way and you just create another opportunity for someone else to come back around years from now still saying the same things about you.

I'd much rather face that problem now head on, deal with it, and then discard it. Sean ranting and raving is nothing new around these circles but not giving people like him a platform would be very isolating. Who in their right mind likes talking only to people who constantly agree with you? That's not a conversation. It's like a monologue in front of the mirror. You can tell yourself how strong and mighty you are but at the end of the day you're only fooling yourself.

So, what requires more backbone do you think? To silence or to face your opponent?

p.s. Murat and I never pretended to be anything. Intellect just comes naturally with great common sense and humor.


Sean,
your blog address is http:\\yourturkey.blogspot.com (not blogger.com)... Congrats though, it was about time.

Oz Kanka said...

Cem said "Very well said Oz. Poorly written but understandable."

I thought it wasn't too bad for 2 am :)

cem said...

Infidel, do you honestly believe you are facing the problem "head on" and dealing with it. You are being extremely naive, if you think at the end of the day you have had an effect on a pro-genocide lobbyist.

sean has a blog of his own now. What I find ironic about it is that comments need to be approved by him before they are posted.
How do you like them apples!

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Infidel said...

Absolutely I do, Cem. By allowing everyone to say whatever the hell it is they think, you are inevitably listening, responding, and facing them head on. It's like a chess game. But if silencing someone would be the norm you would have a chess game where you just knock out your opponent without letting him/her make a move.

In Sean's case, I find it ironic that he even believes most of the stuff that he does. It's not very difficult to argue against them but rather very exhausting. Still, I think it's better to let people like him talk and then point out the fallacies in his "argument" (if one exists) rather than silence him.

The point of open discussion (or animosity) is not to necessarily sway the other's opinion although that scenario would be ideal, but rather that any outside spectator gets to see how ignorant (or knowledgeable) the overall debate is. You know as well as I do that most outsiders have been listening to the pro-genocide stories for years now and have almost accepted it as a standard to the subject matter. But if you don't play the same game of argumenting, specifically against people like Sean, influencing outsiders towards your point of view will be impossible.

As you can see, with the blogging platform growing exponentially every six months, we're going to need to engage more and more whether we like it or not. You might as well start now.

By the way, one of the best ways to face the problem is to create your own blog because no one can express your opinion better to the world than you can. I'll even help you with it if you need it. If Sean is capable of this, so is everyone else. (No offense Sean).....


Aytac,

please don't worry about your English. It's going to be difficult arguing the details of a subject but the fact that you are trying and getting better is good enough....

Sean said...

cem, my blog is still growing, give it some time. I removed the restriction.

Sean said...

"Belgian textbook insults Turkey’s founder Atatürk"

read the article on:
http://yourturkey.blogspot.com

gamze said...

Interesting Sean that you would even consider prior approval for people who wanted to post a comment on your blog. Why is that interesting? Remember the crap you gave me for doing just that on my now defunct blog??

You'll never change, pal. How sad for you.

Answer me this: What do you actually hope to gain by spewing your anti-Turkish views? And where exactly is the maturity in that which you claim to have? I hope that one day you will have children who grow up and marry Turks. Would love to see how you handle that, particularly if they vehemnetly deny the so-called Armenian genocide.

aytaç said...

I answrer for you. They want our land, money, and blood. They want to make claims that Armanians were in our land for thousands of years when Turks have always been here. They want to divide christian from muslim, they want to make PKK support to divide us, they want to kill our child like in 1915, they want to lie and make more lies they want to dishounr Ataturk and well meaning Enver, Talaat, They want to have all from us, they want to kill like Armanian chete bandits all places in Anadolu. I try to be level but they are just bad, all of them and that is why they are now few in Türkiye. All goverments that help Armanians are making secret war against us. Please look very close at this!

Sean said...

Gamze, I hope one day you will marry aytac.

As for as postings on my site go, on the first day, it required my approval. Once that was brough to my attention, I changed it. Any more useless complaint, Gamze?

During one of these postings (and I can't find it right now), Murat asked about the fact that Turks look to the future and Armenians to the past.

Murat, let's not look to the future or the past. let's look at the present. Why is Turkey opening Akhtamar as a museum? Why are they changing its historic name?

I have couple of postings on this on my blog. I hope that many Turks will contribute.

gamze said...

Sean, I'd marry Aytac but same sex unions are banned in my state.

I am, however, married to her views.

I was thinking of starting a new blog called "this is YOUR Armenia" but I can't think of anything positive to say about your fascist and highly corrupt government. I feel sorry for Armenians living in Armenia. I thank God I'm not one of them.

aytaç said...

I hope so-called ermenistan dies. It deserve so. We cannot to live with them they are bad persons they are all ASALA terror group. Our diplomats are worth much more than so-called Armanian millions supoosed died. Why fix their Akdamar church!?!?! Why honor bad Dink radical journalist or make free Leyla Zana!?!?! EU and liberals Turks have made many many errs.

Anonymous said...

Dear Aytac

I was always under the impression that Turks came to Anatolia about a thousand years ago? Do you expect your hateful rhetoric about the histories of other peoples to be taken seriously when you clearly don't understand the basic elements of your own history?

I also thank you very much for your desire for the Armenian state to die, it's this kind of wishes that will land your country in the EU. It's these types of views that support the notion that Turks are incompatible with the EU.

Anonymous said...

"so-called ermenistan"
Are you out of your mind? Armenia isn't real either? Are we treading on Turkish land too? I pity you because you are so full of hate.

Anonymous said...

I am reading this from england...All i see in this buetifull picture is a little girl with women. There are no men with guns..
Diyarbakir is a place that english people are starting to look at as it is a buetifull city.
Please look at the buety you have all around you. I know of the conflict beetween the kurdish and the turkish people.There are conflicts everywhere in the world but, please i beg you on a buetifull day with song and happiness, please put your differences aside. Turkey is a buetifull country.English people love it so much. The customs the cultures are wonderfull.Kurdish, turkish are both buetifull people..