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12 April 2007

Turkey may extend military operations into northern Iraq

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Buyukanit called for Turkey to extend its military operations into northern Iraq.
ANKARA, Turkey (CNN) -- Turkish armed forces have begun a spring offensive against rebels with the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) ahead of an expected surge in militant activity, the head of Turkey's military said Thursday.
In a rare news conference, Gen. Yasar Buyukanit said operations were already under way at several locations in the country and that in April alone at least 10 Turkish soldiers had been killed in the fighting. Full story on CNN

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh....that won't be good for anyone!

Murat Altinbasak said...

Restraint has it's limits though.. It's time for Turkey to take action to protect it's citizens, it's borders, and it's interests across borders. Who else will defend Turkey, besides Turkey?

Sean said...

Protecting "its citizens" and "its borders" I get. I don't get the "interests across borders". What interest does Turkey have across the border into Iraq?

If you are talking about Kurds firing weapons into Turkey, that's different. I don't think that would be considered "interests across borders". That's protecting interests within the borders of Turkey.

I think it's interesting that Turkey got all upset when the Kurdish guy made comments about getting involved within Turkey, however, Turkey has been trying to run things in Iraq for years, and that was acceptable.

The Kurds living in Turkey are also "its citizens". When is Turkey going to start protecting them? I am not talking about the Kurds who are fighting against the Turkish government (so-called PKK). I am talking about the rest of the Kurdish population of Turkey, the ones that don't even exists in the Turkish government's eyes.

metin said...

Sean: I agree with you completely on this one!

Oh by the way, Buyukanit never said what he said was the 'right' thing to do, as how the media reports it, but implied what he said is how he would answer the question (if asked of a military man) if entering Iraq would be considered as a viable option.

He then added that cooler heads should prevail and political restraint must be shown.

super hero said...

it is interesting to see sean having something to say about everything regarding turkey. well he has some points sometimes but in general it is just bullshit.

i thnik the issue murat brought here is about protecting the turkish citizens in turkey against pkk terrorists in Iraq who definitlity benefit the comparative stability in the region and have a good chance to improve their terrorist skills. and what does it have to do with the kurdish people living in turkey exactly? what do you exactly suggest? that we should not take any steps against the terrorists just because you believe kurds dont have enough rights in turkey? i am not in favor of the militarist action, and i think there should be a wiser way to deal with the problem, and to tell you the truth i dont believe that the current government is capable of that. but this is different. on the other hand, what you try to bring here is totally irrelevant, especially when you think that kurds suffer more than turks because of the pkk vulgarism.

and i think it is nothing but hypocrisy to try to comdemn turkey for talking about cross border operations in iraq while saying nothnig about the blatanat usa invasion in the region.

Anonymous said...

On Genocide Committed by Armenians Against Azerbaijani Population

31 March has been marked as a day of genocide of the Azerbaijani population at government level since 1998. This calendar embraces the tragic events which took place in Azerbaijan history over past hundred years being in the memory of the people. Mass destruction of the Azerbaijanis undergone repression is one of the tragic pages of world history in the 20th century. The guilty of these tragedies is Armenian chauvinism reflecting all foul means for realization of a crazy idea - creation of "The Great Armenia".

The Armenian terrorists as being cruel and crafty executors of their repulsive policy committed genocide to the Azerbaijanis many times in the history. The genocide realized by the Armenians to the Azerbaijani population in 1918-1920 years which perpetually engraved in blood history of our people, not only is one of the most tragic-historical occurrences of Azerbaijan, but the whole world history. So that in March-April 1918 the Armenians committed murder of the Azerbaijanis (50 thousand people) in Baku, Shamakhi, Quba, Mugan and Lankaran and deported 10 thousands of people from their own lands. Approximately, 30 ths. Azerbaijani were killed severely in Baku city. 58 villages were ruined and 7 thousand people (1653 women, 965 childen) were destructed in Shamakhi. 122 villages in Quba, 150 in upland part of Karabakh, 115 in Zangezur, 211 in Yerevan and 92 villages in Kars province were destroyed completely and execution of the local population was realized by disregarding the age and sex. In one of repeated addresses ("Ashkhadavor''/"Amakchi" newspaper, 231, dated 2 November 1919) of Yerevan Azerbaijanis it was mentioned that in this historical city and surroundings 88 villages had been destructed, 1920 house burned and 131970 people killed.

For the first time these tragedies were politically evaluated by the initiative of Nationwide Leader of Azerbaijan Haydar Aliyev at the end of the 20th century.

Not only in 1918-1920 years, but still in 1905, 1915 and afterwards in 1948-1953 years the Azerbaijanis were exiled from their own ethnic-historical places, thousands of people were exposed to liquidation, hundreds and thousands of the Azerbaijanis' settlements were obliterated, historical-cultural wealth were ruined and misappropriated.

New stage of genocide to the Azerbaijanis started since the ends of 1980s. The Azerbaijanis more than 250 thousand were deported from 185 settlements of Armenia in 1988-1991 years.

As a result of occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh and 7 outside administrative regions (20% of the territory of Azerbaijan) by armed forces of Armenia, people more than 50 thousand were wounded and crippled. About one million refugees and IDPs are still living in other regions of the country.

As a result of military aggression citizens of Azerbaijan more than 5000, including 55 children, 326 women and the aged total 409 became missed. In February 1992 another genocide so called Khojali genocide was committed by Armenian terrorists to the Azerbaijanis being uncommon in the history. During the occupation of Khojali region 613 people, including 63 children, 106 women, the aged total 70 were killed with especial cruelty and torture and hundreds of people were captivated and taken hostage as well as became missed.

In general as a consequence of the occupation of Azerbaijan territories, more than 900 settlements were plundered, burnt and destroyed, 6 thousand industrial and agricultural enterprises and other plants were demolished, 150 dwelling houses with gross floor area more than 9 mln. m2 were destructed, 4366 social infrastructure facilities and 695 medical units were ruined as well. Furthermore, 927 libraries, 464 historical monuments and museums, more than 100 archaeological monuments, 6 public theatres and concert studios were racked. More than 40 thousand valuables and rare exhibits were stolen from the plundered museums.

Till now the UN Security Council adopted four resolutions - 822, 853, 874 and 884 on Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. In spite of demands for withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces from occupied regions of Azerbaijan Republic as envisaged by the resolutions, these demands have not been implemented yet.

Appeal by the "Khazar" International Scientific Research Center to US Congressmen, European Union, UN and world community over recognition of act of genocide committed by Armenians time after time against Azerbaijani people

Over the past two centuries thanks to the auspices of the Russian Empire the Azerbaijani people were repeatedly exposed to merciless aggressions, murders and plunders, in a genuine sense of the world, to the physical and moral genocide by Armenians. Yet at the first half of the 19th century by the treaties of Gulustan (1813) and Turkmanchay (1828) the deportation of Azeri Turks from our lands and the policy of "ethnic cleansing" began. As a result of public and underground struggle for realization of "great Armenia" figment, in 1905-1907 bloody actions against the Azeri Turks beginning from Baku up to the present Armenia spread all over the cities and countries. At that period thousands of Azeri Turks were murdered and hundreds of residential areas were destroyed and ruined. The world community should be familiarized with the following facts and realize the genuine truth: Genocide means to destroy the generation of a nation, race, a tribe and a clan. Late in the 19th century and early in the 20th century were the periods of the most terrible tortures, massacres, refugees and moral genocide in the Azeri Turks' lives in the territory that is called the present Armenia. The Armenian-Turkish conflicts and the anti-Turkish mood in 1894-1896 made their outcry in Azeri Turks' genocide during the Armenian-Moslem war in 1905. In 1914-1916 in the South of Azerbaijan - in Khoy, Salmas and Dilman regions 150 thousand; in Eastern Anatolia - in Kars, Sarigamish, Ardahan, Kaghizman and Erzurum regions 200 thousand Azeri Turks were killed. In 1917-1920 in Baku, Nakhchivan, Guba, Shamakhy and Ganja about 40 thousand Azeri Turks were exposed to genocide. In general, over 2,500,000 Azeri Turks succumbed to genocide. As a result of the deportation 1,350,000 Azeri Turks were driven out of their native lands. Hovanes Apresian, who was one of the most active participants of the genocide committed by the Armenian bandits in 1918-1920, made his confession on the bloody crime facts they committed in Iravan province, in Sharur-Dereleyez, Surmali, Kars, Sarigamish and the other regions and in his memoirs titled "There are such people", which was published by American Ramsden Hardill in the Indianapolis city of the United States in 1928, he stated how they had tortured the peaceful Azerbaijani population: "The war began against the Turks within a short period of time turned into the warfare for complete destruction of the Turks' generation." These atrocities committed against unarmed, innocent and peaceful Azeri Turks are the obvious confessions of existence of genocide. A German writer by surname Kulner, who was one of the witnesses of the Azeri Turks to have been exposed to genocide by Armenians, seven years later, in 1925 wrote: "Armenians were mainly encroaching the settlements inhabited by Moslems and killing everyone they came across. They were cutting the people with swords, piercing them with bayonets, burning the houses, throwing the children into the burning houses and watching them burning alive. They were putting the three-four-day babies on the tip of bayonets. A few days after the massacre 87 Moslem bodies were excavated out of one trench. Their ears and noses were cut off, their abdomens were pierced and sexual organs were sliced. Armenians were merciless both towards children and elderly people". A. A. Lalaian wrote: "The Dashnaksutyun Party within the period of 30 months (from May 28, 1918 till November 29, 1920) of its power destroyed 35% of Armenian and 60% of Turkish population in the Transcaucasus." English journalist Scotland Liddel, historian S. Suni, famous Richard Pipesin and the others, who were in Zangazur and Garabagh in 1919, mentioned the facts on the Turkish genocide in their works and these facts mentioned are, no doubt, familiar to the world community for ages. As a result of barbarism of General Andronik, the Commander of Armenian terrorist units, in 1918-1919 in Zangazur region 3,257 men, 2,276 women and 2,196 children were killed; 2,060 men, 794 women and 48 children were wounded. In the western region of Azerbaijan - in the territory of the present Armenia, at the beginning of the 20th century Azeri Turks used to live in 959 villages out of 1,301. However, at the end of the same century there were no Azeri Turks in those villages. At the beginning of the 20th century in the territory of present Armenia the number of Azeri Turks was more than 352,000. But today there is no Azeri Turk there. Under the enforcement of warmonger circles realizing brutally the program of "Armenia without Turks", in 1989-1994 a fictitious Upper Garabagh problem was put forward and 812,554 Azeri Turks were forcibly driven out of their native lands - motherland Azerbaijan. Every seventh person of the country's population became a refugee. The Armenian armed forces destructed and ruined 900 residential areas, 4,366 social objects, 690 schools, 280 nursery schools, 862 clubs, 982 libraries, 500 medical centers, 76 drug-stores, over 400,000 industrial and agricultural enterprises and hundreds of cultural monuments. Ten thousands of citizens of Azerbaijan were murdered and became disabled as well as were taken captives and hostages. The Khojaly tragedy, which has got no analogy in the 20th century, happened on February 26, 1992. The leading mass media and television channels in the world have covered this tragedy and brought this fact into the world community's notice. But unfortunately, these undeniable facts of genocide were not given a political and legal assessment in time. The lands of Azerbaijan were occupied and peaceful and innocent people were killed, but the world kept silence. Taking into account of all these terrors, tragedies and calamities, to which the Azerbaijani people were exposed, and in order not to enable Armenians, who have spread to different regions of the world, to commit genocide against any people under the slogan of "national fortune" and "great Armenia", we appeal to the parliaments of all states, peaceful forces, influential international organizations and call on everyone to confess the genocide of the Azeri Turks, to recognize the aggressor as it is and to give a political and legal assessment to the crimes committed.

Anonymous said...

Results of Armenian Aggression against Azerbaijan
• 20,000 killed
• 5,000 crippled
• 700,000 displaced
• 331,000 women
• 235,000 children
• 7,966 fatherless families
• 5,316 orphans
• 10 districts affected by fighting
Destroyed:
• 9 towns
• 730 villages and settlements
• 102,000 houses
• 7,000 public buildings
• 693 schools
• 191 hospitals
• 160 bridges
• 166 reservoirs
• 300 kilometers of roads
• 2,300 kilometers of water pipelines
• 15,000 kilometers of power lines
• $40 Billion total damage

Anonymous said...

Nagorno-Karabagh: The world’s forgotten genocide?


A young Azerbaijan victim from the Nagorno-Karabagh war, 1991.
As the Soviet Union weakened and fell, old historic animosities resurfaced in some of the Union’s republics. Beginning in 1988, Armenia encouraged the ethnic Armenian majority in the Azerbaijan autonomous district of Nagorno-Karabagh to seek independence and then join with Armenia.


In 1992, Armenian troops invaded Nagorno-Karabagh with the help of Russian army units. They expelled all Azeri residents and destroyed towns, villages and infrastructure. They then took over the surrounding provinces, and expelled all Azeri residents.


The Armenian occupation of nearly 20 percent of Azerbaijan’s territory created about a million refugees, over half of whom still live in unbelievably primitive conditions. The occupation and the refugees are Azerbaijan’s continuing national pain and recovering the occupied lands is the national aim.


In an interview, Deputy Prime Minister Ali Hasanov, the most senior government official responsible for refugees, shared his recollections on the war with Armenia, the refugees’ situation, and his worries about declining international aid.

The Deputy Prime Minister:


"The Armenians claim that the conflict is an ethnic conflict. It is not - it is historical.


"At the end of the Russian-Persian war in 1828, the political status of Armenians in Persia (present day Iran) was not good. Because of certain pressures, the Czar invited the Persian Armenians to live in two areas of Azerbaijan, Erivan (now Yerivan, the capital of Armenia) and the mountainous, picturesque area of Karabagh.



WWII veteran longs for
ancestral lands.

Refugee child ponders future.

Laundry day in the polluted river.

Shepard’s dugout houses refugee family for nine years.
"And from that time onward, the huge Armenian Diaspora has been trying its best to link this Armenian-populated area to Armenia.

Armenians seize lands, expel Azeris with Soviet complicity
"Altogether, the Armenian hunger for ever more land led them to deport Azerbaijanis from certain areas during four different times in the 20th Century - in 1905, 1918-20, 1948-50, and in 1988.


"In the 1988 deportation, more than 200,000 Azeris living in Armenia were uprooted from their homes, almost overnight. This last deportation was tantamount to ethnic cleansing - because afterwards there were no ethnic Azeris left anywhere in Armenia. To our great regret, this deportation took place under the Soviet regime, with the full armed support of the Soviet Red Army.


Armenians stage Sumgayit killings with KGB help
"Ethnic Armenians were deeply involved in arranging the events that happened in Sumgayit. And the involvement of the Soviet KGB cannot be denied. We Azeris later came to understand that these events were directly linked to Gorbachev and his policies.


"Unfortunately, there were 26 Armenians killed in the events. We traced the backgrounds of those 26 victims. What we found later in KGB archives was that several years earlier those 26 people had refused to assist a clandestine Armenian group calling for the unification of Karabagh with Armenia. Armenians living in Azerbaijan sponsored that organization.


"So the Armenians killed during the Sumgayit events were people who refused to cooperate with that clandestine organization. In this way, the people who stood behind the Sumgayit events were able to kill their fellow Armenians.


Genocide in Khodjali
"Immediately after the events in Sumgayit, pogroms began in the 126 Azeri settlements in Nagorno-Karabagh, and this form of ethnic cleansing continued until 1992. The culmination of this crisis in Nagorno-Karabagh was the tragedy in Khodjali – an overt form of genocide. This settlement of 6,000 people was destroyed overnight and 600 people were murdered overnight as well.


"The Armenians took a number of people hostage, the overwhelming majority of whom were civilians, including old people, women and children. Nine years later, some are still kept hostage. The number of bizarre medical experiments that were undertaken on these hostages indicates horrible treatment that is only comparable to that of the Nazis.


"Finally in May 1992, the last Azeri settlement, the town of Shusha, was captured. That completed the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Nagorno-Karabagh.


"Taking advantage of this political chaos following our independence, the Armenians started further expansion outside the mountains of Karabagh. This led to the occupation of seven more districts surrounding Karabagh by the Armenian military forces, which were provided with very substantial support by Russian troops garrisoned in Armenia.


"The overall population of these seven captured districts was about 700,000. Those areas did not have a single permanent Armenian resident. They were exclusively Azeri districts.



Toddlers playing with artillery shell.

"The four resolutions passed later by the United Nations requiring the withdrawal of Armenian troops to withdraw from captured Azeri lands referred to these seven districts. Unfortunately, no government is paying attention to these resolutions.


One million refugees still languish in desperate conditions
"Thus, today in total we have about a million refugees and internally displaced people. There were over 200,000 people expelled from Armenia, about 40,000 ethnic Azeris displaced from Nagorno-Karabagh, and 700,000 people uprooted from the adjoining districts. Besides that, we also had an influx of 50,000 Iskan Turks expelled from Central Asia.


"All these people are dispersed over 58 districts of Azerbaijan in some 1600 camps and areas:
• 53,000 are living in tents.
• 12,000 of them were placed in railway boxcars.
• 30,000 are placed in
various farms and other types of rural construction, some in dugouts used previously used for winter animal shelter.
• 30,000 of them were placed in various educational facilities, such as schools, kindergartens.
• 100,000 of the refugees and internally displaced people (IDPs) are staying in unfinished, incomplete residential premises.
• Another 100,000 are placed in dormitories, and the remainder are dispersed in very poor living
conditions.


"Certainly, there was international assistance rendered to Azerbaijan as these events took place. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees was one of the first such organizations to arrive here, and then came the World Food Program. There was a very serious involvement of a number of non-governmental organizations from the US, Europe, Arab countries and Turkey.


RESULTS OF ARMENIAN AGGRESSION

Humanitarian aid decreasing
"Currently, there are 81 humanitarian organizations operating in Azerbaijan. Eleven of these are national, and 70 international. But from 1993 to 1995, the number of these organizations was 105.


"In 1994, these organizations provided $160 million; by contrast, the amount of assistance they provided last year was a mere $40 million.


"There is only one reason for this - a political solution to this conflict has been prolonged. Of course, the above organizations cannot function here forever, so there is nothing to blame them for. But, frankly speaking, the government of Azerbaijan is not able to replace this assistance.


“The assistance to refugees and IDPs from the government budget this year is around $45 million. A part of this $45 million provides a stipend of about $5 per refugee per month for bread.


“Apart from this, we also enacted a law called "Social Protection of the Refugees and IDPs. " According to that decree, these people are not charged for electricity, power, water supply, gas, communications, transportation, education, or health care; and they are exempt from all forms of taxation. The cost to government to cover these expenses amounts to approximately $200 million annually. Thus, our government’s direct and indirect assistance totals approximately $245 million a year. This is in addition to the $40 million provided by the outside humanitarian organizations.


"Returning to the issue of 907, since 1993 the US government has been providing financial assistance to Armenia at the rate of about $100 million a year. On the one hand we are dealing with aggression here – why is the aggressor entitled to humanitarian assistance from the US State Department?


"On the other hand, Azerbaijan is the victim here: we are the nation which has had its lands occupied. We are the country that has about a million refugees and IDPs. And we are the party that has been totally deprived of any kind of direct assistance. Isn’t that paradoxical?


"We have tried to show members of the Congress who support Armenia the reality of the Azeri refugees. I understand that in the US there are certain political dependencies when you get elected, and once you’re elected you can’t forget those who helped you win office.


"But I say to these members of Congress: ‘You can represent someone, that’s up to you. But you can also see some real truths in our refugee camps. By denying the realities, you are really not serving the Congress, and you undermine the image of America, the most democratic country in the world.


‘The United States plays a leading role in all the issues that are concerned with the protection of human rights. Aren’t these one million refugees and IDPs human beings? Don’t they have human rights too?’


Negotiated solution sought
"Since 1993 there have been efforts made to solve the problem in a political way, within the framework of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Basically, these involve Russia, the US and France - the so-called ‘Minsk Group.’ We can only note with regret that after many years of efforts, there have been no tangible results. The Minsk Group is the only body charged with the search to find a political solution to this problem. No one else is involved.


“The worldwide Armenian Diaspora which actually created this situation consists of people who have carved out entire political careers from this tragic issue. Naturally, they will continue their best efforts to preserve the status quo, and to impede the development of any solution, no matter how tragic for the people of Azerbaijan.”

metin said...

did you really expect me to read all that? shorten up and lighten up.

Anonymous said...

metin said...
did you really expect me to read all that? shorten up and lighten up.

Metin, you are right, I do apologise for the length of the article. My only wish is to bring to your attention as well as to others the suffering of my people.

Were you aware of such facts discribed in the above post's?

Sean said...

Super said "what do you exactly suggest? that we should not take any steps against the terrorists just because you believe Kurds don't have enough rights in turkey?"

At no point did I suggest that. First, like the say going, "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter".

Second, I specifically said "I am not talking about the Kurds who are fighting against the Turkish government (so-called PKK)."

If people from a neighboring country were firing weapons at the US, I would say that we should fire back and destroy them. However, I also know that US would never let things get to that point. We would address the root of the problem, because killing the few people near the border isn't going to make the problem go away.

Super said "on the other hand, what you try to bring here is totally irrelevant, especially when YOU think that Kurds suffer more than Turks because of the PKK vulgarism."

Now you are putting word in my mouth. I didn't say that the Kurdish population is suffering more than the Turks BECAUSE OF PKK. I said that the Turkish government should start protecting its Kurdish citizens, grant them rights, etc. That's the solution to Turkey's Kurdish problem, not what the military is doing right now.

If Turkey goes into Iraq, it will be interesting how things will play out.

First, the US will have to pull out, because the Americans will take over the streets and demand that we pull out of this mess. The question is whether the US will pull out of the Kurdish region of Iraq, leaving the Kurds to defend for themselves.

Second, the Civil War in Iraq will explode, probably spread to other parts of the Middle East, which will lead to a divided Iraq, something the Turkish government is fighting so hard to avoid.

Third, the Kurds in Turkey will start a War within Turkey. I don't think this should be called a Civil War because, by definition, a civil war is a war in which parties within the same culture, society or nationality fight against each other for the control of political power. This wouldn't be a fight for political power, like the Civil War in the US in the 1860's, and it's between 2 different nationalities.

Fourth, the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan will return.


The say I see it, the Kurds are going to get their own country no matter what Turkey does.

The only question for the current Turkish government is this: Are you going to stand back and watch Kurdistan form or are you going to TRY to prevent it from happening, which will most likely be unsuccessful?

Sean said...

anonymous,

the Azeris that claim that the Armenians committed so-called genocide against the people (by killing about 600 people) are the same ones that argue that the Armenian Genocide did NOT take place because instead of 1.5 million Armenians, only 300,000 died.

So, by that logic, 300,000 Armenians massacred is not enough for a Genocide, but 600 Azeris is. Someone please explain this one to me.

Your people are suffering right now because your government is forcing them to leave in tents in order to tell the world that they are suffering and need to return to Karabagh.

There are plenty of houses in your country for those people to move into. Most of them are the houses of the Armenians that were forced out or killed by your people in the late 80's and early 90's.

The refugees living on the streets of Azerbaijan are victims of your government's policy.

Anonymous said...

Massacre of Khojaly

One of the most heinous crimes against the Azerbaijani people was the massacre of hundreds of defenseless inhabitants of the town of Khojaly, in the Nagorno Karabakh region of the Azerbaijan, which was taken by armenian troops on the night of February 25-26, 1992 in what was described by the
Human Rights Watch as "the largest massacre to date in the conflict".

Khojaly is an Azerbaijani town strategically located on the Agdam – Shusha and Hankendi (Stepanakert) – Askeran roads in Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan. The town' population was over 7,000 people.
The Armenian armed forces and mercenary units spared virtually none of those who had been unable to flee Khojaly and the surrounding area. In the words of the journalist Chingiz Mustafaev, among the dead were "... dozens upon dozens of children between 2 and 15 years old, women and old people, in most cases shot at point-blank range in the head. The position of the bodies indicated that the people had been killed in cold blood, calculatedly, without any sign of a struggle or of having tried to escape.

Some had been taken aside and shot separately; many had been killed as entire families at once. Some corpses displayed several wounds, one of which was invariably in the head, suggesting that the wounded were executed. Some children were found with severed ears; the skin had been cut from the left side of an elderly woman's face; and men had been scalped. There were corpses that had clearly been robbed. The first time we arrived at the scene of the shootings of February 28, accompanied by two military helicopters, we saw from the air an open area about one kilometer across which was full with corpses almost everywhere..."

Faced with this mass shooting, some of the group made for the village of Gyulably, but there Armenians took some 200 people hostage. Among them was Dzhamil Mamedov; the Armenians tore out his nails, beat him and took away his grandson. His wife and daughter vanished without trace.

What makes it even more gruesome, is the way the massacre was perpetrated - which allowed some to label it as a genocide.

Khojaly tragedy was continuation in the string of massacres and slaughters against the Azerbaijani people perpetrated over the centuries, especially accelerating in the bloodiest of all, the 20th. According to various official and independent estimates, over a million Azerbaijanis, and a total of 2,5 million Azerbaijanis, Turks, Kurds, and other North Caucasian people,were slaughtered in the 20th century, qualifying this tide of massacres as a genocidal policy by the Armenians.

Anonymous said...

USA– On March 31, 2007 the Azerbaijan Society of America will mark with sadness the 89th anniversary of the "Day of Genocide of Azerbaijanis." The day commemorate a series of violent killings that started in Azerbaijan on March 30, 1918 and continued until April 1, 1918.

During the three day massacre, thousands of Azerbaijanis, including women, children and the elderly, were brutally killed by Armenians. In Baku alone, between 8,000 and 12,000 Moslem people were killed, regardless of the political affiliations, or social or economic positions. Some estimates put the number of people killed across Azerbaijan as high as 30,000.

During Soviet domination, Azerbaijan was unable to commemorate this tragedy, but since 1988, 70 yeas after the genocide, the anniversary has been solemnly marked. In 1988 former Azerbaijan President Heydar Aliyev issued a decree declaring March 31 st as the day of genocide of Azerbaijanis. The official position of Azerbaijan is that close to a million Azerbaijanis have been massacred as the result of Armenian genocidal campaigns.

Today, the Republic of Azerbaijan takes serious steps to research past genocides and prevent future ones through education and outreach programs focusing on the history of extermination of its population. The campaign against genocide will continue until current Armenian aggression is stopped and all the illegally occupied lands of Azerbaijan are liberated from Armenian control."Azerbaijani-Amer icans join their mother country in its grief on the commemoration of this sad day in Azerbaijan's history," said Tomris Azeri, ASA President.

Sean said...

anonymous,

are you having a hard time forming an independent thought?

pointing out an article here or there is fine, but polluting blogs with 1000 word articles that no one is going to read is a waste of time.

I will keep putting your comments where they belong, in the Trash. I hope murat does the same.

For those of you who are thinking "this is what you do to the Turkish blogs", I would like to point out that once Murat asked me not to post entire articles on his blog, I stopped. Also, the articles I reference are from the Turkish or Western media, not from Armenia media.

Anonymous is not even providing his sources so the reader can judge for himself. Clearly, if his articles are from a paper like the New York Times, LA Times or Washington Post, one should pay more attention to it then if it's from the so-called Azeri Press Agency.

I would still like an answer to this question:

"the Azeris that claim that the Armenians committed so-called genocide against the people (by killing about 600 people) are the same ones that argue that the Armenian Genocide did NOT take place because instead of 1.5 million Armenians, only 300,000 died.

So, by that logic, 300,000 Armenians massacred is not enough for a Genocide, but 600 Azeris is. Someone please explain this one to me."

anonymous, go head, respond, if you can. Tell our fellow Turkish readers that the number of people that were killed doesn't matter, it's about the INTENT. Go ahead, tell them that you think their strongest defense to the Armenian Genocide, the argument that only 300,000 died, is irrelevant, according to your claims.

By the way, also tell them that the fact that Turks died during WWI doesn't matter since you don't care that Armenians died during the War with Azerbaijan.

az said...

"We have tried to show members of the Congress who support Armenia the reality of the Azeri refugees.

Amerikan Turk does not practice censorship. I will no longer post such lengthy comments. I do ask that my posted comments are not deleted, but kept as is so people can have some knowledge of the sufferings of my people.

Sean you run "This is your Turkey"
the very same way the Armenian government does, like a fascist.
How insulting it must be to Turks to have such an ignoramus opine about their country.

You criticize Turkey for article 301 yet comments on your blog need to be approved first.

Sean said...

az,

I am glad to see that you know how to carry on a conversation. If you post comments like the one above, I won't need to control the postings. By the way, limit the insults, too.

Sean said...

az, I am still waiting for your answer to my question above.

I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

az said...

sean said--- By the way, limit the insults, too.

You find my words insulting,
because they are true.

I will not allow a fascist hypocrite such as yourself to censor me. I will continue exercising my freedom of speech, even if you find them insulting.

Sean said...

az, stop with the b.s. and answer my question!!

Redneck Texan said...
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Redneck Texan said...

What, the Turks can't find enough Kurds to oppress and kill on their side of the border, now they have to export their xenophobic racist behavior across an international border?

And how come they dont need to go get UN authorization to invade a sovereign nation like everyone else?

Cant we use the same argument to chase Muslim terrorists into Pakistan, Iran, Syria, or Turkey?

A group of Mexicans crossed our southern border and attacked a National Guard outpost recently, and ran back into Mexico....should we have invaded Mexico in response.

Why dont you Turks just give the Eastern 3rd of Turkey, everywhere they are a majority, to the Kurds, and live in peace with your independent Islamic brothers. ;-)

metin said...

redneck: i agree with you on that one. either give it up or go for it. but stop just talking about it.

as for the mexican comment. Yes! we should have gone into Mexico to protect our borders.

super hero said...

ok, i think i need some more training in english because it is obvious that i couldnt express myself and eventually totally misunderstood.

so i will try to rephrase it.
the post Murat send was about a cross-border military intervention against PKK terrorists. This is not about getting into Iraq, or trying to impose another government in Iraq as the americans did very recently. this is about attacking the PKK terrorist in Iraq.

why we talk about attacking and should we really attack is another matter. now here, redneck should really better care to learn to get acknowledged about the issues he feels like talking. first of all, turkey did not make an cross border opertion against the kurds yet. On the contrary, turkey asked many times the new Iraqi regime to take steps to stop the cross-border PKK attacks against Turkey and all she got is some very offensive words which also indicates that the PKK is supported by the Iraqi regime which also indicates that USA backs them too. We are not talking about one single croos border attack of the kurds here. We are talking about a terrorist group who is responsible of at least 30 000 deaths and i wonder what would your USA do to Mexico if Mexicans were supporting such a big massacre.

Sean, my mistake in my post that, i should use the word “consider” but not “think” which are the same words in turkish. I didnt want to mean that you THINK kurds suffer more because of the PKK but i wanted you to CONSIDER it. Because kurds really suffer more than the turks because of the PKK attacks. It is true that the regions with kurdish population needs more improvement, but one of the reasons for the non-improvement is also the PKK terrorists, and as a matter of facts almost all the kurds i speak in istanbul say the same thing. I am not getting into who started first which is nothing but an endless debate. I want peace in my country more than (you say) you want to see turkey developing, and i am looking for the ways to have peace, not fight.

So now, i asked what is your suggestion exactly in bringing the rights of the kurdish citizens in turkey in an issue about a military activity. Do you suggest that we should not make a cross border operation due to your beliefs about what kurds have and have not, or else, what is your point exactly, regarding to military operations?

As a footnote here, i dont agree with you saying USA would never allow the thnigs go that point, especially when all i see is American militarist invasion everwhere in this planet.

Sean said...

az, I am still waiting for an answer!

Why don't you put your money where you mouth is - and have a discussion. any 5 year old can copy and paste crap from other sites. back up your allegations with you extensive knowledge of the topic!

What happened to all those readers that use to criticize me for not having my own blog? Why isn't anyone telling AZ to get his own blog?

az said...

Contemporary Armenia is the same destabilizing factor in the region as it was Germany in the first half of 20th century in Europe. Inflamed by racist - fascist idea to establish "Great Reich", Armenian leaders would not be able to begin the war with impunity, if afterwards Armenia was not supported by her eternal ally - Russia; and the latter strives to restore the empire. Expanding for centuries, Russia at the time of Peter the Great set its main goal - access to the mild southern seas. And in order to attain this goal Russia had to conduct incessant wars against Turkey from 18th till 20th century. Armenians played a significant role in this struggle. And today, we should remind, Armenia is an official ally of Russian Federation. Armenia receives not just economic and moral support from the big brother. Russia actively provides Armenia with arms. This policy is aimed to increase the tension in the region, because Russia aspires to extend the region, because Russia aspires to extend the conflict between two nations - Azeri and Armenian - adroitly using the principle "separate and rule". And Armenian nationalists, possessed by racist and fascist ideas, assist the realization of Russian plans. And Azerbaijan is just the first stage. It is very likely to be continued by Armenian aggression against Georgia, Turkey and other nations in the region. That's why the aggression of racist Armenian national-fascists must be stopped.

Sean said...

az, I am glad you have learned how to use the "copy & paste" function of your computer.

I just wish you would copy & paste some useful information.

I bet you don't even understand 60% of the words used in the crap that you posted above.

If you do, go ahead, explain it to the rest of us.

jj said...

murat,
The problem is credibility. The TGS, the nationalist think tanks etc are often not talking about the PKK, they are talking abot what they see as an existential threat from the establishment of any independent Kurdish state to the south.

Here is a question: do you think it is fair to oppose this and make threats?

You spoke of protecting interests. Do you use the creation of Kurdistan as a exclusive to Turkish interests?

I wonder what is really going on in the dialogue in Turkey about this. It is inevitable. There fore I wonder what the goal of the pronouncements are.

Also, my contacts and knowledge and experience in Turkey is military. I do not think the Turkish military, which is pretty good, is capable of doing very well in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Anonymous said...

JEAN-IVE-YUNET, journalist (France)

...We happened to be the witnesses of Khojaly massacre, we saw the dead bodies of hundreds of civilians- women, children, old-age people and defenders of Khojaly. We managed to fly by helicopter, we were taking photographs of every­thing we saw around Khojaly at a height of a bird's flight. However Armenians started shooting our helicop­ter and we couldn't manage to finish our job. That was a terrible scene. I heard a lot about wars, about cruelty of German fascists, but Arme­nians went beyond them, killing 5 or 6 year-old child­ren, innocent people. We saw a lot of injured people in hospitals; carriages, even in kindergarten and school buildings.