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03 June 2007

Robert Gates to Turkey: Do as we SAY, not as we DO

As the Turkish military prepares for a cross border offensive into Northern Iraq, the US conducts a Naval bombardment of Al Qaeda targets in northern Somalia. Never mind the ongoing and illegal US occupation of Iraq..
Hypocrisy at it's most deliberate and shameless, wouldn't you say? An enormous insult to Turks and to our government and to all of the fallen Turkish soldiers and civilians. Dont you think?
CNN story

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

No we don't think, we are emperialist wankers all we care is fuck up other nations to steal their oil, energy, gold, etc.
We're the best fuck the rest.
You've seen fuck all yet you sheep. Call yourself american turk you pricks.

Metin said...

I don't see it as an insult. I see it as a friendly reminder that 'war' is not a good thing. Especially getting engaged in an area so volatile for public opinion in the West of treating the Kurds with kid gloves and an 'oppressed' peoples.

What is Turkey thinking? and who the hell is in charge of policy over there anyway? I see the top general, and the prime minister, as well as the president all making conflicting statements, as each tries to vie for position.

Unity is the key to success. Not just some military power! Maybe 'LEADERSHIP' is really what's missing!

Both in Turkey, and the US of A.

Hans A.H.C. de Wit said...

First of all, I would say that Turkish journalists and columnist have to come out their Ivory Towers and listen what mundane Turkish people think, instead of feeding them with all kind of speculations.
Second, the Turkish army was clear about the fact that they will not go after the PKK in Iraq.
Turkish politicians ar fighting like cat and dogs in front of the camera. The last shamefull fist fight party was within ANATVAN…
What the USA is doing is not right, what the Turkish media doing (creating uproar) is not right either.

Hans A.H.C. de Wit said...

Anonymus is making some valid comments: only he is getting more and more paranoide with this typical inferior complex. Screaming and yelling is his/her way of expressing an opinion...
Yes, Turkey's educational system creates monsters.
And I bet, he is eating every day at McDonalds, using a Dell computer, loves American movies and music, but hates him self for not being able to be a grown up person..)))

Anonymous said...

keep assuming you pricks....

Anonymous said...

Never mind the ongoing and illegal US occupation of Iraq..
Hypocrisy at it's most deliberate and shameless, wouldn't you say? An enormous insult to Turks and to our government and to all of the fallen Turkish soldiers and civilians. Dont you think?

Talk about hyporcrisy. Since when is Turkey "your government"? You were born in the US. Are you now stating that as an American citizen you are swearing alligance to a foreign power?

Murat Altinbasak said...

anonymous: what's with your infatuation with 'pricks'? Projecting some kind of fetish? Can you dialogue without personal insult?

Gulay said...

well given the fact that almost every non-native American in this country has a second or even third allegiance to their "homeland" you know the Irish/Scottish/Greek/Italian Americans who keep their traditions and follow what happens at "home" it seems perfectly acceptable to refer to the government of that "homeland" as "my/your government". And Empire building at the point of a gun which you seem to be hinting at does not really work, remember 1776, so your comments are somewhat naive....

Anonymous said...

ARMENIAN TERRORISTS MURDERED EVEN THE CHILDREN,THEY DESTROYED THEIR BEST NEIGHBOURS.TODAY THE GRANDDAUGHTERS AND GRANDSONS OF THESE RASCALS ARE TALKING NONSENCE TO DECEIVE PEOPLE.WE ARE HERE COME AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN.... LONG LIVE THE GREAT TURKISH ARMY.

Sean said...

Anonymous,

I think I hear your mom calling. She is saying "it's 9 pm. time for bed."

You should really listen to her.

Murat, I noticed that you are moderating the comments. How could you let that comment get posted? What value does it add to this discussion/topic?

Anonymous said...

Yep, have a prick fetish. I want to destroy them. If they are human beings who appear as one, I want to destroy their prickness element.

Anonymous said...

"...well given the fact that almost every non-native American in this country has a second or even third allegiance to their "homeland" you know the Irish/Scottish/Greek/Italian Americans who keep their traditions and follow what happens at "home" it seems perfectly acceptable to refer to the government of that "homeland" as "my/your government".

As to non-American born refering to their ancestrial home as "my government", that is OK. If you read my post, you would see that I was refering to the fact that Murat IS American born, so again, it seems like you are either not paying attention or don't know what you are talking about.

Keeping traditions does not equate keeping alligiance to foreign powers.

"... And Empire building at the point of a gun which you seem to be hinting at does not really work, remember 1776, so your comments are somewhat naive...."

Gulay, how do you think Turkey was formed????? At the tip of a sword, and maintained by the point of a gun. I think it is you who are naive!!!

Hans A.H.C. de Wit said...

Anonymus: a simple question for you: there are 5 million Turks living i West urope. Most of them born there. But they have dual citizen ship. What shall we do with them since lots of them have to go militairy service in TR, come back in Europe and pick a job as police officer. We have even a Turkish born in the Dutch government. She has to do an oath to our Queen, and to Sezer 'her president. You sound an expert in these kind of situations. Please enlight me.

Anonymous said...

Gulay, let's talk "empire building at the point of a gun"

Turkey intervened militarily on Cyprus in 1974 to prevent a Greek takeover of the island and has since acted as patron state to the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus," which only Turkey recognizes.

Sounds like empire building to me. Seems Turkey is no different than any other modern country. Don't throw stones in glass houses Gulay. You might get cut.

Murat Altinbasak said...

Anonymous said...
"Yep, have a prick fetish. I want to destroy them. If they are human beings who appear as one, I want to destroy their prickness element."

We're clearly dealing with a pimply faced teenager folks.. Nothing to see here.. The little one didn't have his afternoon nap and didn't take his Ritalin.

Murat Altinbasak said...

Sean said.. "Murat, I noticed that you are moderating the comments. How could you let that comment get posted? What value does it add to this discussion/topic?"

Nothing but humiliation for the contributor.. I moderate, but I do not censor anything except for grotesquely obcene and vulgar. Seems I've attracted some hate mail lately too, making this necessary.

Gulay said...

First of all I was referring to native born Americans of particular ethnicity not foreign born ones. When you hold dual citizenship as many people do in this country I believe you can make the statement quite legitimately.

Oh dear, my point about 1776 was that it was the Brits who tried to use force to bring the colonials to heal and failed and this was direct response to the first anonymous comment about imperialism. Of course I may be wrong but Turkey has never tried to form an Empire, yes the country was itself founded at the point of a gun, in a similar way to the US when it was in 1776 etc. In the same way that America was created by rebels who did not want to pay the taxes to pay for the Indian wars in the 1750's when the British govt had paid to defend the colonials from the French and Indians, Turkey was created in the same way but for different reasons. The US, UK, French and Italians in Paris 1919 busily carving up the remains of the Ottoman Empire and hading bits out to everyone except the people who actually lived there. So yes I am proud to say the Republic of Turkey was founded at the point of a gun and that a common cause made the citizens who were about to be disenfranchised support and rally around a charismatic figure and said no to Woodrow Wilson and his 14 points which to this day are causing many of the problems we see in the Eastern Med and Balkans.

I see no reason to get into the Cyprus thing except to say that as far as the Turkish Govt were concerned they were protecting their own. But that to me is hardly Empire building of the kind you seem to be talking about.

Hans A.H.C. de Wit said...

I still don't get it Anonymus:
Are you saying that only Turks who are born and educated (?) in Turkey can call them selve a Good Turk. You sound like a rascist to me...

nhrider said...

My question is if you are a citizens of US and a citizen of Turkey (or any other country), where will your loyalties reside in a conflict between the two natiuns. No man can serve two masters.

You are only a Turk (or any other nationality) if you are born in that country. Otherwise, you are of Turkish decent. It's like being an African American. You are African American (or an Irish American, etc.) You are not African.

Personally, I wish we could all just along. Who cares what nationality you are as long as you are a good person.

Murat Altinbasak said...

"My question is if you are a citizens of US and a citizen of Turkey (or any other country), where will your loyalties reside in a conflict between the two natiuns. No man can serve two masters."

That's a question which can haunt just about anyone in the United States, or any expat living outside of their homeland. To answer your question, my heart would be with the Turkish Republic. "Loyalty" is a loaded word. It can mean many things. In the event of a conflict, perhaps I'd move to Switzerland.

"You are only a Turk (or any other nationality) if you are born in that country."

You are incorrect. The Turkish Republic considers nationality via parents. If both parents are citizens, then children are also citizens, by default, no matter which country they are born in. I have dual nationality, and so does our son, technically. I believe the reverse is true for American citizens? American parents living abroad are not required to fly to the US in order to give birth and ensure American citizenship..

"Personally, I wish we could all just along. Who cares what nationality you are as long as you are a good person."

I don't know which is worse, racism or nationalism.. In the case of Turkey, they are not one and the same, even though there are many would like you to believe it. A person of any ethnic background can be a Turkish nationalist, just as they are here in the US.

nhrider said...

Murat,

Thanks for enlightening me. I see your point and apologize.

Celal Birader said...

Never mind the ongoing and illegal US occupation of Iraq.

Didn't the US finally get a UN resolution before the invasion ? I'm not sure. But, if it did, then how is it "illegal" ?